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Update: Rights group: Israel uses white phosphorus in Gaza
Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:41 PM EST
The Associated Press
By JASON KEYSER Associated Press Writer

JERUSALEM (AP) — Human Rights Watch said Sunday that Israel's military has fired artillery shells with the incendiary agent white phosphorus into Gaza and a doctor there said the chemical was suspected in the case of 10 burn victims who had skin peeling off their faces and bodies.

This is what Rep. Baldwin and others are supporting. It's wrong, period.
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ReformDem has an insightful piece out.

Yesterday Representative Tammy Baldwin (D-Madison) voted for a resolution that unconditionally supports Israel's attack on Gaza, and places full blame for both the attack and the resulting civilian deaths on Hamas. The resolution passed overwhelmingly.

The lessons of the Vietnam War, the illegal invasion of Iraq, one can go on, are lost on today's Congress, most strikingly on congressional Democrats.

The thing about war is that it is an utterly destructive act and should be avoided whenever possible, you know?

Most Democrats who voted for the 2003 invasion of Iraq know this truism, but voted for the war anyway out of perceived political convenience.

Now Rep. Tammy Baldwin and most Democrats are making the same mistake on Israeli militarism of the same stripe.

Baldwin is a particular disappointment because we know damn well that she knows better but chooses political convenience over the lives of innocent Palestinian families (and actually Israel's long-range security) out of a cynical political calculation.

SOP? Sure, but one expects better out of Baldwin.
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Of course Baldwin supposts Isreal, Hamas would torture her.


Here's another word for those who would avoid wars: Slaves. Despite my frequent disagreement with Baldwin, she is absolutey right in every claim she makes about the current Gaza conflict. The palestinians, members of a failed and war-like culture, have rejected every peaceful gesture, and voted in a savage terrorist regime to represent them. There must be consequences for their actions. The state they have elected, as represented by the Hamas government, is a rejection of everything the progressive left claims to stand for--equal rights for the sexes, tolerance and openess toward homosexuals, equality under the law, reproductive rights, everything. The Hamas government just reinstituted crucifixion and stoning as punishments. Hamas would surely find one of these punishments for a woman like Baldwin--for their corrupt blood god's sake, no less. Add to this their constant war crimes and savage use of women and children as suicide bombers and shields, and one can only accept them for what they are: barbarians unfit for independence or statehood. Why is it that when the left stares evil directly in the face it cannot accept what is so obvious? The fact that the palestinians have been mistreated by Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and perhaps Isreal, does not make Isreal solely responsible for their situation. The fact that they are backward, ignorant, intolerant, and of a relatively small number should not grant them a free moral pass. From what other group would we tolerate such actions? And when one offer of land for peace is rejected then made into a justification for more rocket and mortat attacks, war is the answer. We can only hope that Isreal will damage Hamas so severely--and the palestinians too--that they reconsider their culture of hatred.

So kill them...


You’re correct that the Palestinians have been mistreated by Egypt, Syria, Jordan and the other various Arab dictatorships in the region.

But Israel with tacit (at least) US approval is doing the killing in Gaza. You’re further correct that Islam is often employed in a reprehensible fashion rejecting any notion of a classical liberal society in favor of bigotries and the related authoritarian systems of law.

Though one should note that this denial of liberty has never been an obstacle to our entering into alliances in the region.

You are empirically incorrect that Hamas has committed anything close to the killing and wounding of human beings that Israel has committed. Nor is Hamas anything like the threat to international law and human rights that Israel is.

And you do not point to a case for killing innocent Palestinian families. I mean they are people, though racism against Arabs prevalent among Israeli and American militants reject such notions of Arab humanity. That's the problem that Baldwin and others have if we take their stands at face value. [I don't take the stands at face value, I think Baldwin knows better but in a phrase: doesn't give a shit. Actions speak here.

It’s worth noting that Israel and the United States (and often South Africa when run by the racists) typically are/were alone in rejecting any two-state solution that the UN and other international bodies advocated.

Your descriptions of a “failed and war-like culture” and “culture of hatred” in the face of the atrocities that Israel has committed are ironic.

I don’t feel any kinship to religions generally and certainly not to the brands of Islam that we see in the region, but as a thinking citizen I do advocate a heavy presumption against killing people, even religious people.

The neocon siege mentality that you have has and is now leading to disastrous consequences, if you accept mass killing, collective punishment, starving, denial of liberty, illegal occupationn and the like as disastrous.

might does not make wrong


How can one honestly say that Hamas is not a greater threat to international law than Isreal? As a part of Hamas' charter they promise to work for the destruction of Isreal forever. They take hostages, kill civilians, employ children as suicide bombers, and engage in almost every other depravity a "government" could engage in...including failing to protect their citizens. The palestinians knew what Hamas was about when they voted them in and elections have consequences. I'm sure would would argue that in pursuit of its just ends, Isreal has killed more palestinians (I'd call them Hamas supporters) and is therefore in the wrong, but this argument is like saying that the US and Allies were wrong to pursue the end of Nazi Germany when it became obvious that we could do more damage to them than they could to us. Numbers in this case do not equate to virtue. Virtue requires that nations defend themselves and act to preserve the lives of their citizens, and the IDF has in every case acted so as to limit civilian casualties (assuming any palestinians are civilians). But even you hold the palestinians to be incapable of civilized action otherwise you would condenm them for breaking the ceasefire and attacking another state with rockets and mortars. Look at the long and bloody road of the peace negotiations between these two peoples and tell me what else Isreal could have offered and why offering anything more would have ended differently? If we look back through history we will see plenty of atrocities on both sides, I don't deny that. But recently--over the past twenty years--Isreal has been searching for peace, offering land, removing by force its own people, providing aid to the palestinians. At every single time peace was an option, the palestinians have chosen war. So let there be war. And don't kid yourself. If Hamas found a strong, vocal lesbian woman like Baldwin, they'd kill her slowly then drag her body through the streets. How do you imagine she would be treated in Isreal?

You use the same


apology that militarists the world over use to justify killing innocents, though you seem to not believe in such a thing as innocence among the Palestinians murdered [let’s call it what it is] apparently: "... elections have consequences....," so I guess it's fine children are murdered.

That apology is: We have a better county therefore killing is justified … in self-defense of course.

Your argument is that the relative pluralism and internal civil liberties in Israel justify a militaristic foreign policy.

It’s the same argument militarists here use: The US is among the most free and materially productive countries internally so anything we do externally in our foreign policy must be just and employed with the best of intentions.

But it’s plain that, to quote a letter from the Sunday Times, that "Israel’s bombardment of Gaza is not self-defence – it’s a war crime.”

That’s worth reading in its entirety by those concerned with human rights in foreign policy as well: See http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/letters/article5488380.ece

And see below:

ISRAEL has sought to justify its military attacks on Gaza by stating that it amounts to an act of “self-defence” as recognised by Article 51, United Nations Charter.

We categorically reject this contention.

The rocket attacks on Israel by Hamas deplorable as they are, do not, in terms of scale and effect amount to an armed attack entitling Israel to rely on self-defence. Under international law self-defence is an act of last resort and is subject to the customary rules of proportionality and necessity.

The killing of almost 800 Palestinians, mostly civilians, and more than 3,000 injuries, accompanied by the destruction of schools, mosques, houses, UN compounds and government buildings, which Israel has a responsibility to protect under the Fourth Geneva Convention, is not commensurate to the deaths caused by Hamas rocket fire.

For 18 months Israel had imposed an unlawful blockade on the coastal strip that brought Gazan society to the brink of collapse. In the three years after Israel’s redeployment from Gaza, 11 Israelis were killed by rocket fire.

And yet in 2005-8, according to the UN, the Israeli army killed about 1,250 Palestinians in Gaza, including 222 children. Throughout this time the Gaza Strip remained occupied territory under international law because Israel maintained effective control over it.

Israel’s actions amount to aggression, not self-defence, not least because its assault on Gaza was unnecessary. Israel could have agreed to renew the truce with Hamas. Instead it killed 225 Palestinians on the first day of its attack.

As things stand, its invasion and bombardment of Gaza amounts to collective punishment of Gaza’s 1.5m inhabitants contrary to international humanitarian and human rights law. In addition, the blockade of humanitarian relief, the destruction of civilian infrastructure, and preventing access to basic necessities such as food and fuel, are prima facie war crimes.

We condemn the firing of rockets by Hamas into Israel and suicide bombings which are also contrary to international humanitarian law and are war crimes. Israel has a right to take reasonable and proportionate means to protect its civilian population from such attacks. However, the manner and scale of its operations in Gaza amount to an act of aggression and is contrary to international law, notwithstanding the rocket attacks by Hamas.

Ian Brownlie QC, Blackstone Chambers

Mark Muller QC, Bar Human Rights Committee of England and Wales Michael Mansfield QC and Joel Bennathan QC, Tooks Chambers Sir Geoffrey Bindman, University College, London

Professor Richard Falk, Princeton University

Professor M Cherif Bassiouni, DePaul University, Chicago Professor Christine Chinkin, LSE Professor John B Quigley, Ohio State University Professor Iain Scobbie and Victor Kattan, School of Oriental and African Studies Professor Vera Gowlland-Debbas, Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies, Geneva Professor Said Mahmoudi, Stockholm University Professor Max du Plessis, University of KwaZulu-Natal, Durban Professor Bill Bowring, Birkbeck College Professor Joshua Castellino, Middlesex University Professor Thomas Skouteris and Professor Michael Kagan, American University of Cairo Professor Javaid Rehman, Brunel University Daniel Machover, Chairman, Lawyers for Palestinian Human Rights Dr Phoebe Okawa, Queen Mary University John Strawson, University of East London Dr Nisrine Abiad, British Institute of International and Comparative Law Dr Michael Kearney, University of York Dr Shane Darcy, National University of Ireland, Galway Dr Michelle Burgis, University of St Andrews Dr Niaz Shah, University of Hull Liz Davies, Chair, Haldane Society of Socialist Lawyer Prof Michael Lynk, The University of Western Ontario Steve Kamlish QC and Michael Topolski QC, Tooks Chambers

 

Proportionality and necessity


The idea that children are harmed in the conflict is sad. But the responsibility to remove them from combat areas rests with the palestinians and hamas. Since Hamas regularly employs human shields and then dangles them before the soft and weak left of American and Western news media and academia, they retain the blame. If they didn't want children to die, they would move them from the combat zones. So lets end that stupid argument. Further, the argument of proportionality as well as the other conventions--the geneva conventions--cannot be applied here as matters of international law since neither party has signed on to those agreements. Hamas does not conduct war by the kind and gentle standards of western parlors, and neither does Isreal. I'm not impressed by editorials signed by palestinian lawyers or lefty professors in Ireland or wherever. I have to go on common sense. Look, if your neighbor says in their constitution that they will destroy you, I'd tend to take them at their word and do what I could to cripple them. Have the socialist "scholars" you cite above commented that the Hamas constitution or charter, or whatever, makes its very existance a violation of international law? I'm sure not because they--like yourself--recognize that the palestinians under hamas have established a barbarian state. Perhaps if the palestinians protested their situation in civilized ways I'd have more sympathy. By the way, the purpose of the rockets and mortars is two-fold: it is to terrorize the Isreali population and to discourage people from moving to Isreal. It is interesting that you would not even recognize the basic truth that Hamas would torture and kill people like Baldwin. I'll assume you recognize the truth in that. It certainly points out an inconsistancy in lefty thoughts, though. Everything the left says it hates--racism, sexism, wife beating, capital punishment, maiming, enforced ignorance, teaching hatred--all of these are basic practice for Hamas, but even when they start rocketing and mortaring their neighbors you can't get too worked up. I can call the palestinians and Hamas what they are: evil. I can't imagine how you must have to juggle your beliefs. At least I can sleep at night.

"A good Arab or a righteous gentile


will be a brother or sister to me. A wicked man, even of Jewish descent, is my adversary, and I would stand on the other side of the barricade and fight him to the end." - "The Holocaust Is Over, We Must Rise From Its Ashes," by former Israeli Knesset speaker and Jewish National Fund chairman Avraham Burg - http://www.amazon.com/Holocaust-Over-Must-Rise-Ashes/dp/0230607527

Peace can only come through mutual trust


Peace in the Middle East can only come through mutual trust. The only way you can establish that is by guaranteeing justice, both economically and politically. But that is just what Israel is not doing. By continuing to build settlements, walls, establishing blockades, (and by their belief that they, alone, have the right to the Holy Land) they undermine the peace process. You cannot enforce peace. You cannot bomb a people to smithereens and expect the violence to stop. It may feel satisfying to have your military crush Hamas, but it will never result in peace. Hasn't history taught us that? Who is blinkered enough to think that the offensive in Gaza, or the blockade, will do anything but generate more hatred, and therefore more violence? Unfortunately, huge numbers of people apparently think this is justified. The upper echelon in Israel cynically exploit this Crusader mentality to maintain their economic and military stranglehold over Israel, which bears more resemblance to Nazi persecution than any there are willing to admit.

Sharing and Justice


Soon, the world will know that the One expected by all religious traditions is here. He has not come as a religious leader, but as an educator in the broadest sense. He will ask us to guarantee basic rights to all: food, clothing, shelter, education, and basic medical care. Only thus, through a campaign of Sharing, can justice, and therefore peace on earth, be established. (google share international for more information)
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